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that's really what -- because i know you guys were talking about illegal immigration, immigration. one of the problems the groom has in this book is he understand up with a family of haitians living in his hotel suite which becomes kind of -- it interferes with his wedding. you have to decide whether he's going to do the right thing or the wrong thing. >> can i ask you a florida question? >> sure. >> you said you went to the conventions. what's the deal with tampa? like why do people live there? >> well, when you were there, none of them were there because of the streets were like full of this giant armed camp. >> post an pock liptical. >> it was terrible. i don't know what they were thinking holding a convention florida in august. i don't know what the thinking was to begin with. not a bright thing to do. i don't think florida should be allowed to have anything to do with the elections in general. we don't do it well. we -- we, this is true, people still voting in line to vote in miami after president obama had already declared that he won and they were still waiting. i don't thin
that's really what -- because i know you guys were talking about illegal immigration, immigration. one of the problems the groom has in this book is he understand up with a family of haitians living in his hotel suite which becomes kind of -- it interferes with his wedding. you have to decide whether he's going to do the right thing or the wrong thing. >> can i ask you a florida question? >> sure. >> you said you went to the conventions. what's the deal with tampa? like why do...
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going sideways on immigration. that certainly would be good for some conservatives in conservative districts, but you know, better than anybody else, what it means for republican presidential candidate if your candidate, mitt romney, had gotten the same percentage as george w. bush among hispanic voters, we would be talking about -- well, you wouldn't be here. i'm dead serious. >> you'd be in the white house. >> you'd be working in the white house with mitt romney. that's what losing this volt me vote means, and marco rubio is starting to take a lot of heat from his own party. let's first listen to -- actually, mika, you want to go ahead? >> yeah. he's got the heat from his participation in the senate's gang of eight immigration plan at question, rubio's push for new immigration enforcement mechanisms. and on the radio yesterday, republican senator david vitter from louisiana called rubio's approach "amazingly naive and ridiculous." vitter also said rubio is, quote, nuts if he doesn't think legal status offers a pa
going sideways on immigration. that certainly would be good for some conservatives in conservative districts, but you know, better than anybody else, what it means for republican presidential candidate if your candidate, mitt romney, had gotten the same percentage as george w. bush among hispanic voters, we would be talking about -- well, you wouldn't be here. i'm dead serious. >> you'd be in the white house. >> you'd be working in the white house with mitt romney. that's what...
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speaking of tough, immigration. al, have been saying for some time that everybody thought all it had to do was get through the senate and sort of check it off. didn't know what was going on, what lay beneath in the house. still, i don't see a way forward. certainly not for citizenship. >> joe, you may well have been more prescient than i. in the end, they couldn't walk away, whatever they had to do. i think your view is closer to reality. really was a difficult caucus yesterday. clearly is a strong majority of republicans who are opposed, i think, to doing much of anything. >> right. >> but i think there is counterpressure. boehner and ryan reflected that yesterday. i think high-tech industry, even some evangelical, the haley barbours, the george w. bush. it's not that their very influential, they're not, but i think in the end, to envision the house just walking away, doing nothing, is still difficult for me. i think a critical question may be here, do they do piecemeal legislation and go to conference? said above
speaking of tough, immigration. al, have been saying for some time that everybody thought all it had to do was get through the senate and sort of check it off. didn't know what was going on, what lay beneath in the house. still, i don't see a way forward. certainly not for citizenship. >> joe, you may well have been more prescient than i. in the end, they couldn't walk away, whatever they had to do. i think your view is closer to reality. really was a difficult caucus yesterday. clearly...
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i definitely think we need to fix legal immigration because we made legal immigration so difficult people choose the illegal option instead. >> what don't you -- let's talk about the pathway to citizenship. do you agree with that? >> i think the pathway prinesen some problems. we're allowing people who have been here illegally through that proposal. i have to say we don't know exactly what it's going to say. what it indicates so far we take people here illegally and put them in the 39 become citizens. that causes some heartburn. i think we ought to allow them come in on a non-immigrant visa fist and one way or another fix the immigration system snooimts be gradual but we can get there. >> do you think the press is getting swept up in the sight of passing an immigration bill because the press for the most part supports the immigration bill. do you think it's a harder slog than predicting? >> i think the ghosts of 2006 are still caught up in congress and a lot of people caught up in 2006 over comprehensive illegal immigration reform may still find those same wounds are aliv alive. >> matt,
i definitely think we need to fix legal immigration because we made legal immigration so difficult people choose the illegal option instead. >> what don't you -- let's talk about the pathway to citizenship. do you agree with that? >> i think the pathway prinesen some problems. we're allowing people who have been here illegally through that proposal. i have to say we don't know exactly what it's going to say. what it indicates so far we take people here illegally and put them in the...
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look at immigration reform. house republicans don't care what marco rubio has to say, much less barack obama over dinner. >> jim vandehei, you're going to be invited to the white house for saying that. the president is going to love you. >> it's true. you look at a guy like mike enzi. >> socialist. >> right. so if he cuts a deal or goes into a negotiation with the white house, comes over for drinks and dinner, that's certainly not going to help him right now. it certainly wouldn't help him. look, i agree with you. we are at a point in which -- and it must be enormously frustrating for the white house -- there's very, very little they can do. there are very few levers they can push on something as central and important, in their belief, in a lot of beliefs, in terms of immigration reform. there's just not a lot they can do. >> so as the president of the united states, who has been elected twice, is incapable of doing anything of note in washington, d.c., even with -- i'm not being combative here. i'm just saying
look at immigration reform. house republicans don't care what marco rubio has to say, much less barack obama over dinner. >> jim vandehei, you're going to be invited to the white house for saying that. the president is going to love you. >> it's true. you look at a guy like mike enzi. >> socialist. >> right. so if he cuts a deal or goes into a negotiation with the white house, comes over for drinks and dinner, that's certainly not going to help him right now. it...
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immigration reform. nearly everyone is in favor of immigration reform. refinancing your mortgage. that's a real middle-class pitch right there. but i was struck by the fact, i think, he soared right past the congress. right to the country. that's where he's going. he figures, i think correctly, that they have not gone along with anything that he wants to do for the past four years. and he's going to take this right to the country. and i think he probably has a stronger hand to play with the country, obviously, than he does with the congress. >> i thought that was strategically smart. >> it's strategically smart if you want democrats to win the 2014 election. and certainly, harold ford, that's his prerogative. he's president of the united states. but that speech last night told me, harold, that he just doesn't think he can get anything done in washington, d.c., unless he has a democratic house and nancy pelosi is speaker because he sure as heck wasn't trying to bring both sides together which, again, that's his prerogative. >> right. >> i'm not criticizing him, but his political ca
immigration reform. nearly everyone is in favor of immigration reform. refinancing your mortgage. that's a real middle-class pitch right there. but i was struck by the fact, i think, he soared right past the congress. right to the country. that's where he's going. he figures, i think correctly, that they have not gone along with anything that he wants to do for the past four years. and he's going to take this right to the country. and i think he probably has a stronger hand to play with the...
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nicole mentioned immigration. a logjam in congress from student loans, two immigrations. senator harry reid taking some shots at speaker john boehner. here's mr. reid commenting on the house speaker's workload. >> speaker boehner is trying to decide where he is, pick an issue. how about the farm bill. last year's farm bill, this year's farm bill. he has dissension in his own ranks. we know that. now immigration, he is saying a bipartisan bill that we've done, he is not going to touch that. they are running ads, conservative organizations are running ads saying mr. boehner and republicans why don't you do something about this. i guess i feel sorry for the speaker. >> chuck, bring us up to speed with where we are on immigration, referring to the fact that speaker boehner said his house will not take up the senate bill. where are we? any hope for a movement on this? >> looks like we're in a bad place on immigration if you were an immigration reform advocate, hoping to see this bill die, you should be very happy this week. what you've seen is if you look at the republican par
nicole mentioned immigration. a logjam in congress from student loans, two immigrations. senator harry reid taking some shots at speaker john boehner. here's mr. reid commenting on the house speaker's workload. >> speaker boehner is trying to decide where he is, pick an issue. how about the farm bill. last year's farm bill, this year's farm bill. he has dissension in his own ranks. we know that. now immigration, he is saying a bipartisan bill that we've done, he is not going to touch...
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>> immigration is a core issue. i'm pleased people have thembrad this idea to come up with a consensus. marco rubio has done great work with that. but education reform. if people don't have the skills to succeed, no matter how many they dream, it's not going to work. i think tax reform is something that would make this possible as well. there are a whole lot of people in our country today that don't see the benefits of deferral of gratification or risk taking to be successful. so there's a lot of things we can do. regulatory reform. rules are created for the 1970s. we're living in a completely different world. embrace innovation. embrace the dynamic interaction of people rather than having a government response to every problem we face and persuade people that's the better path. >> we only have a minute left. we have three questions. lightning round. steve? >> rapid fire. you got one? >> yes. >> steve, make sure you don't take up the first 20 seconds. go. >> governor, when you look at education, and the education re
>> immigration is a core issue. i'm pleased people have thembrad this idea to come up with a consensus. marco rubio has done great work with that. but education reform. if people don't have the skills to succeed, no matter how many they dream, it's not going to work. i think tax reform is something that would make this possible as well. there are a whole lot of people in our country today that don't see the benefits of deferral of gratification or risk taking to be successful. so there's...
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and this is truly, eugene robinson, as historic a vote on any immigration bill since the last immigration bill passed the house by the same margin and then was killed in the house. >> yeah. >> i don't mean to be skeptical but come on. >> look, there are reasons to be skeptical, number one, because the speaker of the house says he's not going to bring up the bill. but it is a historic moment. the senate did get it together to do something. but how was it going to happen. and actually there's one question i had for you, joe, as a former member of the house. is there any chance 21 members of the house could vote to bring up the senate bill? getting an up and down vote, where it could pass? >> i don't think so. could that get this out? you could certainly get it -- >> they could start it -- >> as you well remember, it just stopped when the majority sees it's getting close. and try their hardest to bring it through normal procedure. which they have the opportunity and the power to try to canning and amend and so forth. >> you're just not going to get to a citizenship thing. if you wanted the b
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i have been organizing for immigration and immigrant rights since i was 19. i am 28 today. i have been following the debate and it's been the rhetoric, the talks from both parties, democrats and republicans, and the lack of action. what we're looking for in 2013 is action. >> tell me about your parents and yourself. >> i was born in ecuador and came at the age of 13. my parents and i came seeking what many immigrants throughout generations have come to this country for -- a better life. my parents feared i was not going to get access to good schools and higher education and we came here because my parents said we want to ensure kristina and my brother jonathan can have access to education. i'm actually the first in my family to graduate from college and in that way i realized the dreams of my parents coming into this country. >> one of the first times you've been on the cover of "parade" right? >> the first time. >> but maybe many more to come. >> what do you get out of convening a group like this? >> i think what you get is the beginning of a conversation, a kitchen table
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a case against him and immigration reform. how vibrant are those groups today in the republican caucus and how much purchase do they have and are they still successful at masquerading? our big criticism of the '90s they weren't conservative groups. they were in population control and big environmentalists and masqueraded themselves as conservatives to go at the right and make it unpalpable for republicans to become progressive on immigration reform. >> i look beyond that and look more to the grassroots. you know, we do town hall meetings. i spoke to a couple of hundred people when i go home every single week and i could have this conversation now about a systemic immigration reform and nobody throws anything at me. i think the folks back home are ready for this discussion. it's something that the temperature of the rhetoric has come down dramatically the blast couple of months and last couple of years. >> governor rendell, he is on a bipartisan task force on immigration and want to bring him in on this. when you work on this q
a case against him and immigration reform. how vibrant are those groups today in the republican caucus and how much purchase do they have and are they still successful at masquerading? our big criticism of the '90s they weren't conservative groups. they were in population control and big environmentalists and masqueraded themselves as conservatives to go at the right and make it unpalpable for republicans to become progressive on immigration reform. >> i look beyond that and look more to...
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reform but comprehensive immigration reform. the reason is partly they think it's the right thing to do, and there are a lot of businesses, part of the business roundtable with the meeting at the white house last week with the head of marriott and head of coca-cola, they really care about a broader immigration solution. but even the tech folks, the entrepreneurs who really are focused on high-skilled immigration now realize the only path to get that done is to embrace comprehensive reform. so there's a broad coalition now forming not just the tech world, the business community more broadly, the -- >> but are -- >> -- supporting a broader solution including a path to citizenship including the dream act. >> i think it's important they have input on those two issues because they'll be the hang-up. >> i absolutely agree. there's some areas of agreement, but we're not going to get that done unless we have a broader solution. exactly how you draw those lines in terms of what is the pass, how long it takes, there's a lot of subtleties
reform but comprehensive immigration reform. the reason is partly they think it's the right thing to do, and there are a lot of businesses, part of the business roundtable with the meeting at the white house last week with the head of marriott and head of coca-cola, they really care about a broader immigration solution. but even the tech folks, the entrepreneurs who really are focused on high-skilled immigration now realize the only path to get that done is to embrace comprehensive reform. so...
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i think people that think that immigration is going to pass if we get 65, 70, 75 senate votes on an immigration reform bill are whistling past a grave yard. it's not going to happen. >> they agreed on it, and you know what kind of damage that does within the negotiating halls of washington, to have a deal and then to surprisingly have it flushed down the toilet like that. it just further hurts whatever they've got going there that's not working for them anyway. >> and i just have to be really clear here. i actually would have voted no on this bill. i'm not even talking about ideology. this is about competence. and house leadership does not have competence right now. it's an embarrassment. >>> right now let's move on to markets. global markets stabilized after a two-day selloff that has everybody rattled. stocks, bonds, and commodity prices around the world are down. global investors may not share the same confidence in the u.s. economic recovery as the u.s. federal reserves. stateside, the dow, s&p, and nasdaq dropped by more than 2%, the largest one-day decline since november of 2011. over the
i think people that think that immigration is going to pass if we get 65, 70, 75 senate votes on an immigration reform bill are whistling past a grave yard. it's not going to happen. >> they agreed on it, and you know what kind of damage that does within the negotiating halls of washington, to have a deal and then to surprisingly have it flushed down the toilet like that. it just further hurts whatever they've got going there that's not working for them anyway. >> and i just have to...
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. >> you're seeing the same trend on immigration. >> same trend on immigration becoming more progressive. >> look at all of the possible republican candidates running for president in 2016, almost every single one said something positive about immigration reform. 2012, none of them. >> i think dianne feinstein is entitle to do a vote. a lot of people agree with mika and me that this is a missed opportunity and even if there will be more votes later, after sandy hook, it seems to me the american public are a huge section of the american public want to vote on this and i think harry reid should have permitted the vote even if this piece lost. packaging it this way i think dumbs down the opportunity for more significant reform. i want to say on israel. obama is meeting with five leaders. perez, netanyahu, abbas, fayed and abdullah jordan. this isn't just an israel trip but something he could do would be very significant is to empower john kerry, very overwhelmingly secretary of state to work on the peace process now. i still think this is the closing window. >> all right. >> there you go. >
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but the same thing that's going on with immigration. the senate is going to pass a big bill. the house wants to do it piece by piece. that makes it much harder to get anything new. and that key stat that says it all about what might get through the house this year, of the 234 house members, house republicans who were elected on election day, only 15 of them are in districts that barack obama carried. a very red country, a very blue country, that makes it tough to get something like this through. >> mike allen with a look at the "playbook." >>> we'll have much more coming up on the pope, the breaking news that he will resign effective february 28th. we'll also catch up with mike lupica, here to talk about his new book, "game changers." mark halperin, john heilemann, getting on their phone with their lawyers. "game change." "game changers." >> seriously. >> see you when we come back. [ male announcer ] i've seen incredible things. otherworldly things. but there are some things i've never seen before. this ge jet engine can understand 5,000 data samples per second. which is good
but the same thing that's going on with immigration. the senate is going to pass a big bill. the house wants to do it piece by piece. that makes it much harder to get anything new. and that key stat that says it all about what might get through the house this year, of the 234 house members, house republicans who were elected on election day, only 15 of them are in districts that barack obama carried. a very red country, a very blue country, that makes it tough to get something like this...
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how do you see this impacting other immigration, gretietting kind of a grand bargain on this? >> i think poorly. i think he spends a huge amount of capital and nothing to show for it. i think he cared about this issue and very moved about what he saw in newtown and meeting with these families. i think this is a bad moment for him. >> what if it motivates him? the cool obama is now fiery? >> we will see. >> i'd rather not to get to this point to see that. mike and maggie, thank you so much. so great to have you on the set. >> mika, before we end the hour let's talk about the honor roll yesterday, the people that actually took courageous stands. >> yeah. >> that where it wasn't necessarily easy. >> yes. >> kay hagan and mary landrieu and john mccain coming through in arizona. i wish jeff flake would have followed him. pat toomey and joe manchin a hero. mark kirk and some others made really difficult votes yesterday. if you define difficult by supporting something that 90% of americans do and, apparently, in the united states senate in 2013, that's how difficult is defined. it is
how do you see this impacting other immigration, gretietting kind of a grand bargain on this? >> i think poorly. i think he spends a huge amount of capital and nothing to show for it. i think he cared about this issue and very moved about what he saw in newtown and meeting with these families. i think this is a bad moment for him. >> what if it motivates him? the cool obama is now fiery? >> we will see. >> i'd rather not to get to this point to see that. mike and maggie,...
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tlushgts the immigration -- throughout the immigration push marco rubio has been a lightning rod. as the bill enters the house he and other republicans are getting cover from right leaning groups from new ads led by haley barber and the american action network. take a peek. >> our current immigration system is a disaster. what we have now is de facto amnesty. there is a better way. billions of new border security funding, it toughest enforcement measures in history. no food stamps, no welfare, no obama care. >> lindsey graham and immigration, what's he fighting for? 20,000 new border patrol agents, double the size of the security fence, electronic verification so employers can't hire illegal workers. that's what lindsey graham is doing. >> gene, you have a piece in the post about immigration, saying in part, we're quoting the senate did the sensible thing last week and passed a bill allowing law abiding immigrants here without papers to stay, and eventually become citizens. whether the house follows suit may depend on whether speaker john boehner has finally had his fill of washin
tlushgts the immigration -- throughout the immigration push marco rubio has been a lightning rod. as the bill enters the house he and other republicans are getting cover from right leaning groups from new ads led by haley barber and the american action network. take a peek. >> our current immigration system is a disaster. what we have now is de facto amnesty. there is a better way. billions of new border security funding, it toughest enforcement measures in history. no food stamps, no...
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i'm the grandson of immigrants. she not from india. she is from bamburg, south carolina, where she was an accountant and her parents clothing store called exotica. i'm suggesting she needs to go back to being an accountant in a dress store. >> see? he wasn't doing the nativist, go back to where you came from, foreigner. he is doing the ladies keep the books in a dress store. apology accepted! >> welcome back to "morning joe." with us abc news cokie roberts. former special counsel so the president clinton lanny davis is with us. and also joining the column associate editor of "the washington post" eugene robinson and moderator of "meet the press," david gregory. cokie, that sounds like what we were talking about what was used against your father! >> back in the '50s! >> he is not a communist! he's a south carolina clown. that's your state actually. >> i have a sweater from exotica. my mother bought me a sweater from there. >> this guy chaired nikki haley to adolf hitler's mistress and then he made inflammatory bigoted statements. wonder
i'm the grandson of immigrants. she not from india. she is from bamburg, south carolina, where she was an accountant and her parents clothing store called exotica. i'm suggesting she needs to go back to being an accountant in a dress store. >> see? he wasn't doing the nativist, go back to where you came from, foreigner. he is doing the ladies keep the books in a dress store. apology accepted! >> welcome back to "morning joe." with us abc news cokie roberts. former special...
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. >> if they don't push immigration. >> and here's the fascinating thing about immigration. i remember talking to salter with the mccain campaign in 2008. and i said, why did you guys go the path you did? mark salter? i said, why don't you go ahead and push a bill where somebody worked here for five years. they could go back to mexico. they could apply. and they could come and have legal status. why didn't you go that route? americans would have supported that. he laughed. he said, because the afl-cio opposed it. and the one senator that was constantly at the forefront of opposing that form of immigration reform was a senator from illinois named barack obama. he carried their water on blocking this pathway to citizenship when he was in the senate. the afl-cio put out a press release yesterday talking about the importance of not compromising on citizenship. so the unions themselves -- there are a lot of cross-currents here. the unions themselves don't want an influx of new workers in america, do they? >> no, they don't. that's one of the reasons this organizing for action, ji
. >> if they don't push immigration. >> and here's the fascinating thing about immigration. i remember talking to salter with the mccain campaign in 2008. and i said, why did you guys go the path you did? mark salter? i said, why don't you go ahead and push a bill where somebody worked here for five years. they could go back to mexico. they could apply. and they could come and have legal status. why didn't you go that route? americans would have supported that. he laughed. he said,...
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they can run presidential campaigns where they don't bash immigrants. they can run presidential campaigns where they support legalization and not citizenship which a lot of americans would consider to be, you know, amnesty. they can say listen, we're going to support the dream act. we are going to support the legalization of workers, immigrant workers, but if you want to become a citizen, you're going to have to stand in line with everybody else around the world and play by the same rules that people have to play by if they're emigrating from eastern europe or asia or other parts of the world. it's not -- it's just not an all or nothing proposition here. and yes, republicans got slaughtered in 2012 and slaughtered in 2012 because mitt romney decided he was going to go as extreme as he could possibly go on beingp anti-immigrant and it cost him dearly when the election came around. does that mean we have to go in the other direction. the media is painting this conservatives have to embrace barack obama's vision of immigration reform or they're doomed to l
they can run presidential campaigns where they don't bash immigrants. they can run presidential campaigns where they support legalization and not citizenship which a lot of americans would consider to be, you know, amnesty. they can say listen, we're going to support the dream act. we are going to support the legalization of workers, immigrant workers, but if you want to become a citizen, you're going to have to stand in line with everybody else around the world and play by the same rules that...
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texas is a tough place for democrats no doubt about it. >> is it trending purple with immigration, immigration reform change that. >> they can get there. a lot of good people over there, i had a long talk with jack morton a good friend of mine and they're pushing different things and the democrats are going to make a big run. build wl they're successful or not is another thing. >> what's the time frame? two cycles down the road texas more in play or no? >> i don't know. i think first of all if you look even across the south, more like four municipal elections in mississippi that turned out better for democrats than people think. georgia is i think going to follow before. >> south carolina. >> even south carolina to some extent. but it is very texas is going to be a tough race in 2014 for the democrats to win. i'm not saying it's impossible. at this point obviously they've got a good story, raise a lot of money. >> so interesting about all of this, joe and mika, what's happening in the states is really going to drive these huge cultural societal issues, whether it's gay marriage, whether it's a
texas is a tough place for democrats no doubt about it. >> is it trending purple with immigration, immigration reform change that. >> they can get there. a lot of good people over there, i had a long talk with jack morton a good friend of mine and they're pushing different things and the democrats are going to make a big run. build wl they're successful or not is another thing. >> what's the time frame? two cycles down the road texas more in play or no? >> i don't know....
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they are not hearing anything about do immigration reform. i think the assumption is this gets done this year. i think that assumption could be flawed once it gets to the house because house republicans are not anxious to do this. >> senator marco rubio is saying we have always said this is a work in progress and they said on the security measures, those triggers that would allow that path to citizenship they will toughen them up. as he talks to conservatives, they don't trust the administration and specifically the homeland security department and secretary napolitano to do what is promised in the legislation. so as they work on it, they are going to add things to help conservatives over the weekend. going to see heritage come out with a report and talking about the costs of this, people are for immigration reform push back on the methodology but there is another rock in the backpack for the reformers. >> and constantly calling napolitano a big assist probably doesn't help. >> if conservatives are seen as squashing immigration reform this ye
they are not hearing anything about do immigration reform. i think the assumption is this gets done this year. i think that assumption could be flawed once it gets to the house because house republicans are not anxious to do this. >> senator marco rubio is saying we have always said this is a work in progress and they said on the security measures, those triggers that would allow that path to citizenship they will toughen them up. as he talks to conservatives, they don't trust the...
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. >> you brought up immigration. do you support marco's approach on immigration. >> we're going to do a different approach in the house. i agree with the need to reform the immigration system and we need a workable system. legal immigration is a good thing for america when we are honoring the rule of law. >> legalization not citizenship. >> that's right. >> and the united states -- >> when it comes to citizenship can we just not say it right here right now. i mean, there's not going to be an immigration bill that is going to grant amnesty to provide citizenship. >> no. >> to -- legalization yes, citizenship -- >> there's lots of confusions and confusing terminology used here. at the end of the day, if everybody else in line who came here legally and did everything right is through the system and a person then after an exhaustive person, probationary period, green card, not consuming government benefits wants to get in line like anybody else, we should allow that person to do that that's person easterning the right to
. >> you brought up immigration. do you support marco's approach on immigration. >> we're going to do a different approach in the house. i agree with the need to reform the immigration system and we need a workable system. legal immigration is a good thing for america when we are honoring the rule of law. >> legalization not citizenship. >> that's right. >> and the united states -- >> when it comes to citizenship can we just not say it right here right now. i...
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rubio is the leader on immigration. >> joe, a new poll by latino decisions shows immigration reform is by far the most important issue for hispanic voters. that's followed by the economy and jobs education and healthcare. >> john heilemann, let's talk, john heilemann, about your next book. bush 2016. i think this may have to be the opening scene of jeb bush getting out of a cab on a dark morning and walking into the today show and announcing he's changed his mind. the second i heard it, i said, the game change boys better get an interview with him. this to me seems to be the greatest sign that jeb bush is looking to run in 2016. what are you thinking? >> well, he is certainly -- it was certainly surprising to hear some of the things he was saying on television yesterday on the today show and this show and elsewhere. there's a ton of speculation about what he might do in 2016. there's no one as talented as the republican bench is right now and as much as people talk about bobby jindal and chris christie and others, that he is certainly the giant among them. he doesn't have quite the sta
rubio is the leader on immigration. >> joe, a new poll by latino decisions shows immigration reform is by far the most important issue for hispanic voters. that's followed by the economy and jobs education and healthcare. >> john heilemann, let's talk, john heilemann, about your next book. bush 2016. i think this may have to be the opening scene of jeb bush getting out of a cab on a dark morning and walking into the today show and announcing he's changed his mind. the second i heard...
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he'll get in the history books for immigration reform. he is letting rubio, like in a bicycle race he is the first bike. he is cutting the wind. the wind is coming at him. so i think he is very careful the way he is doing this because he wants the wind. he doesn't want to posture. he didn't want the issue. he wants the wind and it's interesting to watch how he goes when he wants the wind. >> i think a lot of people are assuming immigration reform is getting through the house. lots of luck on that. >> i know but he is putting everything he has in that. i know the term with the anglo shortstop s. nonhispanic people. they are are not going with anything that says legalization or whatever the term is. i know it's a challenge but if he gets it through the senate, i think he might get a vote in the house. >> still ahead on "morning joe," president obama admits there may be bumps in the road ahead for his supportable health care plan but could it be worse than expected? we are going to an authority on the issue straight ahead, zeke emanuel. dr.
he'll get in the history books for immigration reform. he is letting rubio, like in a bicycle race he is the first bike. he is cutting the wind. the wind is coming at him. so i think he is very careful the way he is doing this because he wants the wind. he doesn't want to posture. he didn't want the issue. he wants the wind and it's interesting to watch how he goes when he wants the wind. >> i think a lot of people are assuming immigration reform is getting through the house. lots of luck...
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he stuck his neck out on immigration. he's been called out for sticking his neck out by conservatives. and now he's doing everything he can do to madly try to go as far right as he can and look like as much as a conservative as he can. and even to talk about a government shutdown right now over obama care? it's ridiculous. this is him covering his backside. >> that's a big part of it, joe. one sign that that's the case is this is not really just an ideological battle. you have richard burr from north carolina, i don't think of him as a rhino or a squish saying this is nults. the republican party right now is not so much as a divide. imagine two high school kids on a big gorge and one of them is goating to jump. come on, the water is right down there. the others, are you nuts? and i'd say at the moment, the majority sentiment in the republican party for the first time in awhile is with, are you nuts? it's clearly the smart political money irrespective of moderate or conservative thinks what rubio is doing, tleening to shut
he stuck his neck out on immigration. he's been called out for sticking his neck out by conservatives. and now he's doing everything he can do to madly try to go as far right as he can and look like as much as a conservative as he can. and even to talk about a government shutdown right now over obama care? it's ridiculous. this is him covering his backside. >> that's a big part of it, joe. one sign that that's the case is this is not really just an ideological battle. you have richard...
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i'd say immigration's in a different category. i do think the politics, that rnc report last night, rand paul speech last night are moving in a direction where republicans probably have to compromise. i don't know that necessarily means they do compromise. >> that said, though, if you have a universal background check that excludes individual purchases and something like that gets 70, 75, 80 votes in the united states senate, which it could, that changes things in the house and, you know what, there is a possibility that if you have that type of bill, you could actually have a bill that the nra doesn't score. if it excludes the individual, the individual checks, maybe the nra doesn't score that, and suddenly you close the gun loophole and the online loophole with these universal background checks. we shall see. thank you so much. as always, the voice of optimism of sunny optimism from oshkosh, wisconsin. >>> coming up, mika's must-read opinion pages coming up next. more "morning joe" in a minute. ♪ [ construction sounds ] ♪ [
i'd say immigration's in a different category. i do think the politics, that rnc report last night, rand paul speech last night are moving in a direction where republicans probably have to compromise. i don't know that necessarily means they do compromise. >> that said, though, if you have a universal background check that excludes individual purchases and something like that gets 70, 75, 80 votes in the united states senate, which it could, that changes things in the house and, you know...
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take us through it a little bit. >> yeah, willie, this is going to be immigration week, certainly immigration month, maybe immigration year because as joe suggested at "national review" this weekend, i popped in there yesterday with the "national review" institute here in washington. more and more republicans are open to doing something on immigration. so today, these senators, these include some of the biggest players on the democratic side. senator schumer, senator durbin, on the republican side, senator mccain, marco rubio, coming out with a plain before the president unveils his. tomorrow the president is going to jet to las vegas to unveil his immigration plan. these senators putting out a marker. here are the three big points of this plan. and this is going to be the biggest debate on immigration in six years since back in 2007 when president bush's plan was deeted. he defeated. here are the three big paths. it will provide a path to legal citizenship for the people in the country illegally. that's dependent on increasing border security before that happened and some other procedural sa
take us through it a little bit. >> yeah, willie, this is going to be immigration week, certainly immigration month, maybe immigration year because as joe suggested at "national review" this weekend, i popped in there yesterday with the "national review" institute here in washington. more and more republicans are open to doing something on immigration. so today, these senators, these include some of the biggest players on the democratic side. senator schumer, senator...
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and on immigration. half of those polled say the president is taking the right approach. 33% endorse how republicans are tackling the issue. >> so, james, if i'm still a congressman in northwest florida and somebody hands me this and says, you're in trouble, yeah, i'm in trouble. i may get 79 instead of 80% of the vote. but that's what's running the republican brand into the ground, the fact that they got guys looking at their district and saying i'm going to win anyway. i could just ignore what's happening to the party as a whole. that's a huge challenge. >> it is a terrible challenge, and two things. one, it's part jerry mandering. but a guy runs against him and says, you know what, you're not conservative enough. >> right. >> by the way, when you talk about mccloskeyering too, it's one thing i noticed in florida. they passed the civil rights act, made sure that there were minority districts, that was great for a couple of minority candidates, better for republicans, because you gerrymander through flo
and on immigration. half of those polled say the president is taking the right approach. 33% endorse how republicans are tackling the issue. >> so, james, if i'm still a congressman in northwest florida and somebody hands me this and says, you're in trouble, yeah, i'm in trouble. i may get 79 instead of 80% of the vote. but that's what's running the republican brand into the ground, the fact that they got guys looking at their district and saying i'm going to win anyway. i could just...
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i'm for immigration reform. i'm not defending the republicans but you have to understand -- >> agree with all that. >> you got to try to get things done. >> i agree with all that. but to your point it's sort of absurd the reason to oppose immigration because you don't want to hand the president a victory. you oppose it because it's bad policy you don't want people in. those are reasons to oppose it. put aside the time limit. >> time honored tradition we shouldn't be surprised. you shouldn't be surprised -- >> i understand. don't be so blatant about it. >> i'm not defending. it would seem to me the focus should be on getting a budget deal. >> you can do both at the same time. >> both can't to be done in washington. >> good lord. mike, real quickly you guys have been following this claim by senator dick durbin that a gop leader said to the president quote, i can't stand to look at you. we talked about this yesterday. much has a different story. now the white house is calling this a miscommunication? >> yeah. peopl
i'm for immigration reform. i'm not defending the republicans but you have to understand -- >> agree with all that. >> you got to try to get things done. >> i agree with all that. but to your point it's sort of absurd the reason to oppose immigration because you don't want to hand the president a victory. you oppose it because it's bad policy you don't want people in. those are reasons to oppose it. put aside the time limit. >> time honored tradition we shouldn't be...
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where are we with ted cruz, immigration and the republicans on the immigration? >> i have great respect for senator cruz, but i think he's totally wrong about that analysis. >> why do you have great respect for him? >> he's a smart man. worked hard to get a senate seat. >> okay. >> and i think lost his way a little bit in his public image on some issues. the president has a pretty clear short checklist he wants to get done. now is the time to do it and i think you've seen a white house that has an underrated way, even on the budget deficit but certainly on immigration and even on gun control has worked very -- in a very sophisticated way to use public opinion but also get congress invested in this, not interfere. the president has held back on a public posture of immigration of letting the senate negotiators do their work and i think senator cruz is wrong about what the president wants. he wants a bill and he'll get one. >> within the white house, what do you think if they had an option on the table and said you can have immigration or guns during april, pick one
where are we with ted cruz, immigration and the republicans on the immigration? >> i have great respect for senator cruz, but i think he's totally wrong about that analysis. >> why do you have great respect for him? >> he's a smart man. worked hard to get a senate seat. >> okay. >> and i think lost his way a little bit in his public image on some issues. the president has a pretty clear short checklist he wants to get done. now is the time to do it and i think...
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so there's a real chance to do immigration reform. you have people like erick cantor and paul ryan who are economic conservatives who want to do it. i think that will be his thrust. >> chris matthews a lot of us have been critical of the president from syria back saying that the guy is not a strong enough negotiator, he doesn't know how to play the game in washington. he sure knew how to play this game. >> a lot of it had to do with his situation. one of those old movies where the guy slaps the guy with his glove. you insult the guy first. we'll take your baby not the money we're going take your baby give it to us. he had to fight this one. he had to fight every inch. they gave away on his verification for income and means testing. i think that was a stupid decision. >> verification is the same as before. backing up what you said. every time i saw the president, must have been ten times during this fight you could tell he was a different man with his body language and what he said. he made up a strategy just as he told you, joe when h
so there's a real chance to do immigration reform. you have people like erick cantor and paul ryan who are economic conservatives who want to do it. i think that will be his thrust. >> chris matthews a lot of us have been critical of the president from syria back saying that the guy is not a strong enough negotiator, he doesn't know how to play the game in washington. he sure knew how to play this game. >> a lot of it had to do with his situation. one of those old movies where the...
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for immigration reform. you've got businesses lobbying for immigration reform. >> right. >> you don't have that strong voice and that strong lobby group saying, right, we must never do this. >> but the nra, it's so funny. the nra on this issue represents 7% of americans, willie. >> they're like jordache jeans. they are, like '80s. >> they are the jordache jeans of -- mika, i don't think anybody's worn them since 1970. >> my point. >> are those out now? >> i hope they're not. >> joe has a cupboard full of them. >> i'm going to redo my entire closet, starch them. >> what you're saying, joe, is that the power of the nra politically is overstated in the press, which is to say if a congressman went back, if he'd voted for universal background checks and goes back to his district in south carolina and said i know the nra's going to spend a lot of money to beat me, i did something that 86% of you thought was right. >> i know people hate when i say back when i was -- but you know what, experience is actually a prett
for immigration reform. you've got businesses lobbying for immigration reform. >> right. >> you don't have that strong voice and that strong lobby group saying, right, we must never do this. >> but the nra, it's so funny. the nra on this issue represents 7% of americans, willie. >> they're like jordache jeans. they are, like '80s. >> they are the jordache jeans of -- mika, i don't think anybody's worn them since 1970. >> my point. >> are those out now?...
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as they found out in immigration they lost the white house because they dragged their feet on immigration. they lost the white house and reelected barack obama. if mitt romney had the same percentage as george w. bush, he would be president right now. it took eight years to figure out. will it take them eight years to figure out that by being pro active and saying you know what we are going to do in the response, we republicans support the ending of gun trafficking. we support several background checks to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands and felons and keep dangerous web ones out of the hands of the mentally ill. the other stuff would follow. >> you are right as a matter of politics. marco rubio will give a response to the state of the union. do you think he will say that? io. if chris christie runs for president? maybe. in iowa and new hampshire it might sell. that's what it's going to take to change things. a champion. you know how politics works. somebody willing to step out and do that. that's what ronald reagan to create the union you were part of. it needs sbhb guts. >> that
as they found out in immigration they lost the white house because they dragged their feet on immigration. they lost the white house and reelected barack obama. if mitt romney had the same percentage as george w. bush, he would be president right now. it took eight years to figure out. will it take them eight years to figure out that by being pro active and saying you know what we are going to do in the response, we republicans support the ending of gun trafficking. we support several...
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immigration, hagel, budget. just saying everything. >> well, here is lindsey graham saying where he thinks the government could recoup some funds. >> here's my belief, let's take obamacare and put it on the table. you can make $6,000 a year in income and still get a government subsidy under obamacare. obamacare is destroying healthcare in this country. people are leaving the private sector because their companies can't afford to offer obamacare. if you want to look at ways to point $17.2 trillion in savings, let's not destroy it military and cut blindly across the board. >> could i ask you a quick question because i don't really follow politics. >> and you eat munchkins. >> now, i'm against obamacare, been against obamacare. i was really upset when it passed. i didn't say as every republican did, that freedom died tonight. freedom can only die so many times. >> and it didn't. >> so lindsey says obamacare is destroying america. >> yeah. >> doesn't that not get implemented till 2014? i'm just curious. >> most of i
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he goes in on the immigration reform. they get this bill done through the senate and then poof everything stops for him. and now it seems and i don't know him well or his staff that well, but it seems like he's over calculating every move he makes. coming out against the budget bill before it was even analyzed. >> it was just embarrassing. i do know marco, i liked marco, i was excited about marco being elected. thank god i don't know anybody who works for him. i don't. he needs help. >> up next it was another year of superheroes smashing the box office but does big money equal big success in the eyes of a film critic? we'll talk to tony scott from the "new york times" who breaks down his favorite films of 2013 and what to watch for next year. avo: the volkswagen "sign then drive sales event is back. which means it's never been easier to get a new passat, awarded j.d. power's most appealing midsize car, two years in a row. and right now you can drive one home for practically just your signature. get zero due at signing, ze
he goes in on the immigration reform. they get this bill done through the senate and then poof everything stops for him. and now it seems and i don't know him well or his staff that well, but it seems like he's over calculating every move he makes. coming out against the budget bill before it was even analyzed. >> it was just embarrassing. i do know marco, i liked marco, i was excited about marco being elected. thank god i don't know anybody who works for him. i don't. he needs help....
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. >> let's talk a little immigration, john, shall we? conservatives duking it out over immigration reform and one round is between marco rubio of jim deminute and heritage foundation. they lined up over their careers but rubio says the one place where i leave jim demint. >> no question, willie. they are both heroes of the tea party movement and that is one of the big variables. maybe the biggest variable in terms of what happens to the cause of comprehensive immigration reform. is there a tea party style revolt within the republican party? you have these two individuals both of whom are on important figures. they are both heroes and on different sides of the issue. yesterday, in marco rubio's office he hosted a group of conservatives trying to get them on board with immigration reform. that's probably a stretch but if he can keep them from having this negative reaction the way they did to, say, health reform that is important in terms of giving other republicans cover. jim demint is on the other side of this and his big report out the ot
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a lot of these things -- can he get immigration? that seems to be something that is winnable and that would be very important but he has a limited window of time to act in a second term and i think that is what he is facing. >> we have republicans who, joshua do not want him to succeed. >> was this going to cause so much pain and national outcry and that would force republicans to retreat and to relent. at the first sign of that outcry from business travelers what does he do? fix that part of it. >> it's bad parenting. >> it is but think about the precedent it sets, right? you draw red line. do you it with syria. then you cross that red line. look at the next big debt ceiling showdown. when he says i'm not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling what republican would believe that? >> doubt he should have vetoed it? >> i do. >> not as a pure political battle. i think revo it and say if we want to fix the sequester we can but not for special interests that have a big bobbying. >> the final point where is his juice, he is not running fo
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bush, relatively liberal on immigration. john mccain, relatively liberal on immigration. you can win and be on the wrong side of the immigration issue. you can't win iowa. but you can win florida, you can win new hampshire. >> we're talking about iowa right now. >> to be fair -- >> i don't think george w. bush led with immigration reform in iowa. i think we saw john mccain, quite frankly, walk a bit away from immigration reform until after the presidential campaign. this is going to be -- look, this is a sticky issue. there's no doubt about it. i think it will be -- look, i continue to believe this is why governors is going to come out of the race in 2016 just because you don't have to run the washington gauntlet. >> yeah. you know, willie, immigration is going to end up being i think tougher to pass than background checks. background checks that's a 90% issue and still had trouble passing that through the senate. apparently it's moving that way eventually. but my gosh, immigration, that is rough, especially if you're talking about a citizenship. i just -- i don't see tha
bush, relatively liberal on immigration. john mccain, relatively liberal on immigration. you can win and be on the wrong side of the immigration issue. you can't win iowa. but you can win florida, you can win new hampshire. >> we're talking about iowa right now. >> to be fair -- >> i don't think george w. bush led with immigration reform in iowa. i think we saw john mccain, quite frankly, walk a bit away from immigration reform until after the presidential campaign. this is...
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i think this immigration bill is going to face some real problems in the house. you had, al, yesterday, bill crystal coming out and telling laura ingram i supported it in '06 and '08. i think we need to do it piecemeal and think the bill is too big. the scandals, the dustups, i think at the end of the day will feed into the worst instincts or the best instincts, depending on your viewpoint, of a lot of tea party members in the house -- i guess what i meant to say their worst fears about big government. and i'm one of those guys that fear huge solutions to problems, but you think the house -- you think it's going to still pass the house? >> i don't disagree with anything you've said, but i do think that 13-5 vote was very impressive. i think there is still going to be hurdles. i think they are likely to get 70 plus votes in the senate. when the senate passes a bill like that that has popular support that is politically, i think, incredibly important for both parties, particularly for the gop, i don't think the house can stand in the way. >> you said, steve, last n
i think this immigration bill is going to face some real problems in the house. you had, al, yesterday, bill crystal coming out and telling laura ingram i supported it in '06 and '08. i think we need to do it piecemeal and think the bill is too big. the scandals, the dustups, i think at the end of the day will feed into the worst instincts or the best instincts, depending on your viewpoint, of a lot of tea party members in the house -- i guess what i meant to say their worst fears about big...